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Poster: 2muchtv Date: Aug 10, 2004 3:51am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: MOVIE OF THE WEEK! 08/06/04!! BART! BART! BART!

Well, ride, I guess in addition to preaching to the choir, we're talking to ourselves. It seems the issue with mass transit might be that no one cares. Funny to compare the volume of responses to the previous week's film, eh?

I'm right across the ditch from you, over here in Clark county, watching the city ignore the lessons of Portland and simply build more already-over-crowded roads. What a bunch of inbred hick uncle daddies.

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Poster: ridetheory Date: Aug 10, 2004 3:54pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: MOVIE OF THE WEEK! 08/06/04!! BART! BART! BART!

Quiet can be nice. I am sighing contentedly lately when I look at this forum... Aahhh.

It's always weird to me that cities don't want to diversify their transportation options. They've really put all their eggs in OPEC's basket, and they're setting themselves up for a nasty fall.

Man, some of the stories about rejection of high-tech, interurban rail in America would curl your hair. Did you know, for instance, that Alweg, the German monorail company, offered to build a system around Puget Sound FOR FREE? They just wanted a showcase for their system, and all they asked in return was the rights of way ("right of ways"?). Seattle turned them down!

BART is all the more remarkable, given the general bias against urban transit planning.

This post was modified by ridetheory on 2004-08-10 22:54:48

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Poster: GersonK Date: Aug 11, 2004 9:54am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: MOVIE OF THE WEEK! 08/06/04!! BART! BART! BART!

To quote a conversation Bart's sister had:

Lisa: I'd like you to explain why we should build a mass transit system in a small town with a centralized population.

Lyle Lanley: Young lady, that's the most intelligent question I've ever been asked. Oh, I could give you an answer, but the only ones who'd understand it would be you and me...and that includes your teacher.
--- The Simpsons, Marge vs. The Monorail

More seriously, for a transit system to succeed, it's got to be able to pick up enough people close enough to their home and drop them off close enough to their work fast enough to make it worthwhile for them to leave their cars behind. Figuring out if you can meet all of those enoughs is the stuff of exciting city planning studies.

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Poster: summerseve Date: Aug 11, 2004 11:21am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: MOVIE OF THE WEEK! 08/06/04!! BART! BART! BART!

I live in Chicago, which has an excellent public transportation system, on which millions of people depend every day. It's one of the best in the country, and it's hard to find a place that isn't within four blocks of a relatively safe and clean bus or train, all of which interconnect seamlessly.
Yet what do I hear everyday? Complaints about the CTA. It's a truly thankless task to build, maintain and run such a system, but this film made me stop and give thanks for something I take for granted every day.
Until this morning, that is, when I waited 25 minutes for the bus, while watching seven of them go by the other way...

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Poster: ridetheory Date: Aug 11, 2004 3:32pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: MOVIE OF THE WEEK! 08/06/04!! BART! BART! BART!

As much as I love mass transit, I have to admit that any sufficiently advanced transit system is occasionally indistinguishable from sadism.

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Poster: ridetheory Date: Aug 11, 2004 3:42pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: MOVIE OF THE WEEK! 08/06/04!! BART! BART! BART!

Going from home to work and back again is the main thing in transit design, but side trips to destinations (shopping centers, sports venues, airports) are also important.

OFF-TOPIC/PET SUBJECT ALERT:
In my particular area of interest -- amusement parks -- there were once "trolley parks". These were completely artificial destinations, constructed purely because the electric trolley lines had to pay for the electricity on the weekends anyway, so they manufactured destinations just so the juice wouldn't go to waste.

This post was modified by ridetheory on 2004-08-11 22:42:06